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Hardline Apparel. Straight edge clothing line. Hardline Hardline is an offshoot of straight edge, started by Al in boston in the late 80's. It was an even more intense version of straight edge. They were basically edge guys that would invade other's personal freedoms if they didn't agree with them.

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Friday, March 26, 1999 (This is an unedited, uncorrected transcript.)

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HUGH DOWNS What parents wouldn't like their teenager to live a clean, healthy life, swearing off cigarettes and drugs and alcohol? Well, a movement called Straight Edge encourages kids to do just that. Straight Edge sounds like a parent's dream come true. So why are many people and a lot of law enforcement officials afraid of it? John Quinones has a terrifying story of Straight Edge followers going way over the edge in their passion for what they believe in.

JOHN QUINONES, ABCNEWS (VO) This may look like your typical punk rock concert, but it's not. Many of these kids are members of a growing subculture in America called Straight Edge. It may look wild and violent, but believe it or not, the kids say it's all good, clean fun. In fact, so—called 'Straight Edgers' don't even drink. They don't smoke, and they don't do drugs. It's all part of the 'straight' in Straight Edge.

JOE, STRAIGHT EDGE MEMBER All Straight Edge is, is a way to live your life better. It's a way to live your life positive, and it's a brotherhood.

DAVE, STRAIGHT EDGE MEMBER Like, if I wasn't Straight Edge, I could just sell out. I could just not be drug—free anymore. It wouldn't make any difference. But being Straight Edge, I have Straight Edge friends. It's more of a commitment.

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ANDY MAUNCH, STRAIGHT EDGE MEMBER It's like, what's so bad about us? We don't drink. We don't smoke. A lot of us don't have promiscuous sex. It doesn't sound too bad to me.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Not bad at all, as long as you agree with the Straight Edge philosophy. But watch out if you don't.

DEPUTY BRAD HARMON, SALT LAKE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE I've not ever seen them back down. They will stand and fight for their cause.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Brad Harmon is a deputy with the gang unit of the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office. He says Straight Edgers may boast of being squeaky clean and health conscious, but he's found many of them are nothing more than violent gang members who assault people who smoke and beat up people who drink alcohol.

BRAD HARMON Anybody that would say that they're not violent has not looked into them as a whole.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) The reality, says Harmon, is that the most militant Straight Edgers are nothing more than suburban terrorists, rebels with passionate causes. Not only are they opposed to tobacco, alcohol and drugs, many of them are strict vegetarians and staunch defenders of animal rights. Police say some Straight Edgers are so determined to prove their point that they firebombed this McDonald's restaurant because it sells meat. They tried to set this store on fire because it sells leather. And then there was that bombing two years ago, just outside Salt Lake City. (on camera) This is the headquarters for a Utah the cooperative of fur breeders. Its members are farmers who raise minks for a living. In March 1997, police say six young men tied to the Straight Edge movement allegedly planted and then exploded several pipe bombs here, causing almost $1 million in damages. (VO) Authorities called it one of the most violent attacks in the US in the name of animal rights. In all, more than 40 cases of arson, vandalism or serious assault in Utah have been traced to the Straight Edge movement. Police say it's one of the fastest growing gangs in the state, with an estimated 2,000 followers, about 200 to 400 of them considered prone to violence. (on camera) Are these kids as dangerous as the Bloods, the Crips? Can they be?

BRAD HARMON I consider them every bit as dangerous. We see them carry weapons. We see them maiming people. We see them doing millions of dollars of destruction to business people around the city. In other countries, they call it terrorism. I would say it's about the same thing here.

JOHN QUINONES They sound like politically correct terrorists.

BRAD HARMON I couldn't say it better myself.

DAVE We don't have a leader. It's nothing like a gang.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Meet some of the Straight Edgers from Salt Lake. Most of them say they're against violence. In fact, any one of them—Dave, Mark, Joe—could be the boy next door.

MARK You meet a Straight Edge kid, don't immediately assume there's some violent hatemonger because that's not the case.

JOE By no means do we go around acting like hard asses or tough guys.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) But now listen to Andy Maunch (ph). He has a more belligerent tone than the rest of his friends, saying that he gets in fights all the time, but that they're not his fault.

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ANDY MAUNCH I've got to die sometime. It might as well be dying standing up for what I believe in.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Andy says he wouldn't beat up someone who was smoking. But if someone insists on blowing smoke in his face and he can't get away from him, he has no problem getting violent.

ANDY MAUNCH If it resorts to violence, yeah, then I don't have a problem with that. I mean, that's disrespectful to me, and that's harming my body. I don't tolerate it.

JOHN QUINONES (on camera) But they have a right to smoke.

ANDY MAUNCH And I have a right to breathe clean air, too.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Who are these Straight Edgers? Well, they don't have gang leaders, and they remain rather elusive. But we do know that most are teenagers who come from upper—middle class white families. The movement was started in the New York area in the 1980s by kids who were old enough to go into nightclubs but not old enough to be served alcohol. The Straight Edgers, marked by an 'X' on their hands, started bonding together. (on camera) But why have some elements of the Straight Edge movement turned so violent here in Salt Lake City? Well, this is the home of the Mormon church. It's a conservative community that prides itself on family values. On the surface, Straight Edge, with its no smoking, no drinking, no drugs approach, fits right into those values. The parents of Straight Edgers are so impressed with that approach that few of them noticed when some of their kids started taking their cause to an extreme, far over the edge. (Fraternity brothers singing) (VO) Take the night last September when Straight Edgers met these fraternity brothers from the University of Utah. The frat boys say they were hanging out at this pizza parlor when one of them stepped outside and asked a Straight Edger for a light.

MIKE ORTHNER (PH), FRATERNITY BROTHER I asked one of them for a lighter. And they said, 'We don't do that thing. We don't use fire.'

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Within minutes, Mike Orthner says he and his frat brothers were jumped by more than a dozen Straight Edgers armed with brass knuckles and other weapons.

MIKE ORTHNER Right there, I got hit with brass knuckles, right in the forehead. I went down, and then I just tried to push everybody off me, fight back. But it was 10 on one. And three of them had brass knuckles. I got hit in the back of the head with a sword.

JOHN QUINONES (on camera) A sword?

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MIKE ORTHNER A sword.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Fraternity brother Ryan Taggart (ph) couldn't believe it.

RYAN TAGGART, FRATERNITY BROTHER This kid was waving around this Samurai sword, and a couple of us, we were just yelling, you know, 'Drop your metal.' You know, 'We don't need this.' The kid with the sword honestly looked a little crazy. I mean, he's just waving it around like he's teasing us with this sword.

MIKE ORTHNER They're just vicious, you know. It's like piranhas, a pack of piranhas on me.

JOHN QUINONES (on camera) Were you trying to get them to drink or trying to get them to smoke?

RYAN TAGGART No. No, we were doing our own thing.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) And this wasn't their first big fight. Several months earlier, an almost identical brawl with Straight Edgers sent frat brother Michael Larson (ph) to the emergency room.

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MICHAEL LARSON, FRATERNITY BROTHER And before I knew it, I was being assaulted with a baseball bat. I sustained a few hits on the head, and I was out, unconscious.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Andy and his friends say they were not at those fights with the fraternity brothers, but they know fellow Straight Edgers who were there. And they say the frat boys provoked it.

ANDY MAUNCH I would have helped them if I was there. I would have done all I can to put everyone in the hospital.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) The issue wasn't smoking or drinking, they say. It was respect. (on camera) But what gives you the right to enforce with brutality your likes and dislikes?

ANDY MAUNCH If someone doesn't like it, then they shouldn't be disrespectful.

JOHN QUINONES But that doesn't mean you beat them up?

ANDY MAUNCH If that's what happens, oh, well.

JOHN QUINONES You really mean that? What do you think of these frat guys?

ANDY MAUNCH I hate them.

PROF THERESA MARTINEZ (PH), UNIVERSITY OF UTAH Some of these kids are very, very much part of the cause. They really believe that what they are fighting for is righteous.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Theresa Martinez is a sociology professor at the University of Utah who specializes in street gangs. She's been tracking the Straight Edge movement for the past five years.

THERESA MARTINEZ If you strip away the message, in many ways, this is just another gang. Straight Edge is just another gang.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) The Straight Edge movement has now spread throughout the country. And though it's mostly nonviolent, authorities here say they are getting calls of concern from police agencies in other states.

BRAD HARMON Most of the time when they go to war or go to battle, they have a plan of attack. It's just not a quick provoked incident. They usually know that somewhere they're going to have this occur during the night.

JOHN QUINONES (on camera) They accuse you guys—they accuse Straight Edgers of being thugs.

ANDY MAUNCH They can accuse us of whatever they want. We're not the ones going around getting drunk, starting fights with people.

JOE Like they say, Straight Edge is so violent. But I mean, here I am, pacifist. Clark, pacifist. Probably half the kids I hang out with are pacifists.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Repeatedly they told us Straight Edgers don't start fight. Other kids attack them because of their beliefs. And society, they say, either misunderstands or misrepresents them.

JOE I don't see how people could label it as so wrong when it's such a positive thing.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) In fact, Andy and his friends describe themselves as nothing less than Boy Scouts with rather impressive aspirations.

ANDY MAUNCH I want to go into law enforcement, eventually become an ATF agent.

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JOHN QUINONES (on camera) You want to become a law enforcement officer?

ANDY MAUNCH Yeah. It's always been what I've wanted to do since I was a little kid Adobe acrobat reader 9.3 portable free download.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) All of the Straight Edgers we met say they're not gangsters or terrorists. They say they were not involved in any bombings or arsons. Andy, however, comes off like a soldier, a soldier of sobriety.

ANDY MAUNCH Survival of the fittest. If you're strong, you'll live.

JOHN QUINONES (on camera) And if you're not?

ANDY MAUNCH You die.

JOHN QUINONES (VO) Just one week after our interview with Andy and his fellow Straight Edgers, there was another gang fight on the streets of downtown Salt Lake City. Police say about 30 suspected Straight Edgers and another group of kids exchanged words. Tempers flared, and a large brawl broke out. Bernardo Reprenza (ph), just 15 years old was beaten and stabbed to death. Among his assailants, say police, was Andy Maunch, who allegedly beat him unconscious with a baseball bat. The 18—year—old who dreamed of going into law enforcement is now charged with first—degree murder. He has pled not guilty.

ANDY MAUNCH You disrespect someone about being Straight Edge, about being whatever—I mean, if someone disrespects someone about their religion, I mean, that's being disrespectful you, fight them. They die, that's what they deserve.

HUGH DOWNS Andy Maunch is expected to go on trial for murder in July. Boy, zeal for anything can be a dangerous emotion.

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BARBARA WALTERS When it goes that far. And we have just learned that local and federal authorities have put Straight Edge, along with other groups involved in domestic terrorism, on a list of people to watch closely during the 2002 Olympic games in Salt Lake City.

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I did not get a chance to watch this report. I heard about it, and one of my friends might send me a copy of it on video. I heard a lot about it and how biased it was, but I was appalled when I finally read the transcripts(on the previous pages). Out of all the media's reports on the Straightedge subculture, this one tops the cake for the most utterly ridiculous, biased, uninformed I have ever come across. Congratulations, 20/20 and ABC News. You've won the award for Most Manipulated Story. The most un-biased report I've seen was about a month ago on America's Most Wanted. At least they said, 'most straightedgers are non-violent and it is concentrated more in the SLC, Utah area.' I emailed 20/20 and quite a few other 'gang' members(haha) did too, expressing their disgust at this utter crap.

First off, I would like to, and will throughout this whole section, state that STRAIGHTEDGE is NON-VIOLENT!!! It always has been, and it is part of the core of being responsible for one's actions! Eternity invading time free download utorrent. Hardline, however, is an utter contradiction of basic Straightedge philosophy. Militance and violence is not acceptable to 95% of Straightedgers. Hardline makes up only a small percentage of Edgers around the globe. After all, why would a person claim responsibility for their body and their actions by rejecting drugs and peer pressure and turn around and get in a fight? Because these violent kids are not true to themselves or Straightedge(sXe). Therefore, they are not truly sXe and true sXers do not see them as true, but rather as Hardliners.

'The time has come for an ideology and for a movement, that is both physically and morally strong enough, to do battle against the forces of evil that are destroying the earth(and all life upon it). One that cannot be bought, nor lead astray by tempation. A movement free of the vices that sedate the mind and weaken the body. An ideology that is pure and righteous, without contradictions or inconsistencies. One that judges all things by one standard and emphasizes personal responsibility and accountability above all else. An overall view on life that not only deals with the external, but also the internal---realizing that a physical entity of oppression, such as the capitalist system(where all life is deemed an expendable resource), is merely and outward manifestation of the warped values held by the people who run the institutions that control our lives, influence our culture and destroy the earth.'

That's the first paragraph of the Hardline 'manifesto'. It's pretty mild there, but gets more intense later on.

Why does the media find it necessary to ruin peoples' lives and reputations? I mean, my life has not been ruined by this stuff. However, I do come across people who only know about Straightedge through the TV and News and think we are all gang members and violent and will beat them up because they are smoking or drinking. What the fuck? So, I hear all this stuff all the time and Straightedge, a truly positive and great thing, is being manipulated by the media and these false Edgers out in Utah. It is very frustrating. I am not only angry at the media, but also at these assholes, not all of them in Utah are that way, but some of them are giving us a bad rap. They need to stop this immature shit and realize what sXe is all about.

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Well, on to the article. Overall, this sucked. Only 2 or three times did they even hint that the basic philosophy was not violent. Even then, they turned and reinforced that it was. It keeps going back and forth and is very irritating. I just love how they called them Straightedge MEMBERS. ?What?!? I don't ever remember signing up or being innitiated into anything. I took an oath in my heart and mind to be Straightedge. I don't need a fucking leader or need to be a 'member'. I am a part of it with all my heart and soul.

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These 20/20 reporters noted that Joe and Dave(straightedge 'members')were non-violent, but hardly interviewed them at all, and totally focused on what the Hardliner, Andy Maunch, had to say. Of course, he's just a militant asshole. Why did they only focus on him? Do they have some agenda against Straightedge? They need to get out of Utah and interview some other true Straightedgers.

What's with this, 'Not bad at all, as long as you agree with the Straight Edge philosophy. But watch out if you don't'. They are sitting there trying to make the Straightedge movement out to be about terrorism. It's so untrue. People don't need to be afraid of us. Just respect us. I do not know one Straightedger who would beat up a person because they dissed sXe. We will stand up for our beliefs, but that does not include using our fists. It uses only our heads and our hearts. Nothing more than 'violent gang members'? 20/20 and all the other TV and radio stations are sitting in Utah, spanking their monkeys, and labelling the whole straightedge movement on what one city is like. This is wrong. It's the same as labelling the whole anti-abortion movement on some bombings done by one group. What has our news system come down to? A bunch of lying hypocrites? I think so.

'Anybody that would say that they're not violent has not looked into them as a whole.' Excuse me? You are the ones who are stuck in Salt Lake City and have not looked at them as a whole. Anyone who would say that they are violent has not looked at them as a whole. Get your head out and think about it. We know all about our own movement, more than you do, and you're going and interviewing people only in a city full of mixed up kids.

I've noticed that when people are doing something for the good, someone always tries to mess it up. My father always told me, '90% of the people you talk to are gonna tell you that you can't do it.' He was right. It seems that 8 or 9 out of every 10 people I talk to, depending on where I go, try to discourage me from my beliefs and goals. I know it's only human nature, but how does the world accomplish so much with all these people who have lost their will to think freely? Because of this, they believe everything they see on TV, because the TV is god to them. But, television is run by politics and it lies. So, when the TV says that Straightedge is a violent gang, people don't even question it. But, when I tell them about all the atrocities in the slaughterhouse, they don't believe me, even though they could walk into one and see for themselves. Because it's not shown on the boob tube, they don't believe it. Of course it's not shown! They don't want you to see what they are doing! They feed off of you and your money.

Possibly the only good statement in this whole article was made by Mark. 'You meet a Straight Edge kid, don't immediately assume there's some violent hatemonger because that's not the case.' And they don't even touch on what he said, but when Andy Maunch says, 'I've got to die sometime. It might as well be dying standing up for what I believe in..that's[blowing smoke in his face] disrespectful to me, and that's harming my body. I don't tolerate it.' They totally go off on a tangent with this Maunch guy and don't even listen to the others who say that Straightedge is non-violent. All they care about is the ratings.

Then they even try to defend smokers who purposely blow smoke into others faces..believe me. I've seen it happen and it's happened to me. Of course there is no reason to beat up someone for smoking. Yes, they have the right to smoke, but if they start forcing it in my airspace, it is my right to breathe. I don't use violence, but if it came down to where they would not stop and were harassing me, I believe I have every right to defend myself. Not many smokers do this to me. But, if there are more assholes than just the Hardliners out there in SLC, I have reason to believe that he was provoked. I have been provoked because of what I believe in and if anyone were to put drugs, alcohol, or animal products in my face and try to force it upon me, I will not tolerate it. I am not prone to violence. I'm a calm person, but that doesn't mean that I can't defend myself.

Then there's these frat brothers. I don't know who to believe here. I could have gone either way. Wouldn't you know it, the media went the way that fucked over the straightedgers side. Maybe the Hardliners did attack them. But, also maybe they were provoked. It's questionable whether or not these frat brothers were actually 'doing their own thing'. But, once again, the nice clean-cut boys and jocks get the benefit of the doubt. These people in the media don't seem to understand that other kids can be very cruel. They will threaten you for your beliefs, especially if you believe in animal rights. I have been through it. I'm not saying this is what happened here, but it's possible and the reporters didn't even look at that possibility. They just went by the word of the frat brothers. Fraternities could be gangs! They pledge oaths and have leaders and cause trouble. Worse than that, they are often involved in drugs and alcohol. Oh my!..a fraternity involved in bad things and..a gang? Who would of thought? Oh no!!! Never!!! Yeah right.

Even Joe says he is pacifist. I am pacifist. Straightedgers are pacifist. Hardliners are not. Get it straight, people! 'I don't see how people could label it as so wrong when it's such a positive thing.', says Joe. Exactly. I think it's that old saying, People are afraid of what they know nothing about.

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